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Are you part of the Air Force?

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No sir.

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If I tell you something, will it do any good?

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Is anyone, you know, accomplishing anything?

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This is a private, scientific research organization and we're gathering all the information we can on this subject.

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No. Do you give it to the government or?

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No, it's used for private research.

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Well, it has helped in the past.

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Oh yes.

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Are you trying to see any patterns or anything?

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No, we've seen several patterns for many years.

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Okay, well I'll tell you what I saw then. You can tell me if it's a word-hunting.

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Okay.

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Do you want to ask questions or tell me?

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Well, just go ahead and describe what you saw.

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Okay, I'm not supposed to be telling you this, but I fly for the CIA. I'm a reconnaissance pilot.

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Uh-huh.

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And I just came from Tokyo. I just landed about ten minutes ago at the flight level 510.

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And about halfway between, I'd say about halfway in a straight line between Tokyo and Hawaii.

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Uh-huh.

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I was about halfway, I'm not sure. I was out of radar contact just on my own alone there.

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But I was still in radio contact and this, this is, I don't know if it's a full mode or not, but it's very bright out there in the ocean.

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And this thing came up to me, no wings, about double the length of my airplane, I was flying a Phantom F411.

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Uh-huh.

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But double the length, which would be about 45 feet, round shaped, not circular, but more triangular.

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But no, no bottom and no top, all, no equidistant sides to triangle.

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And they weren't sharp, they were sort of rounded off edges.

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And the ends of it were flat.

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And no noise, no wings, no thrust, no windows, no, you know, nothing which would give it a reason to fly.

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No appendages of any kind?

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No, no.

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Okay.

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And the sides of a Phantom, I don't know if it's from anywhere on the bay, we do have very high intensity spotlights, which are built into the fuselage.

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You can see the side of an aircraft they're used to when you're loading up bombs at night at the runway, you turn them on so the guys can see things with the bombs underneath them.

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Yes.

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And so I turned the lights on the side and saw a very clear picture of it.

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I mean, it was there, it wasn't my imagination.

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Did the light actually reflect off this thing or illuminated?

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It didn't reflect it, it was a porous material, probably.

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Well, it looked like a splendid scrubber, so it looked like.

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But it was not metallic.

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You could see pores in it.

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You couldn't see pores, but it looked like maybe asphalt would look from a distance, something like that.

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I mean, did you say that light actually illuminated?

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No, it just sort of went ahead and hit it.

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Okay.

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It didn't bounce off.

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How close did this thing get?

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The closest it got was about 70 feet from the wings.

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Now I have radar and it was on radar and the image doesn't, you know, wouldn't reflect that close, but it got up to about 50 feet from the left wing and then as far as about 200 feet, it stayed there for about a half an hour.

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Okay.

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This is at Mach 2.2.

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It's roughly, you know, 1900 miles now.

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Did you see this as it was coming in toward you?

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I didn't see them come up on me.

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No, I just sort of looked over and it was there.

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And then I looked to the left and I thought, well, I just, you know, a shadow or something.

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Oh, it turned on all the lights on that side.

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And it was definitely there.

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I could see the dimension.

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I could see the top and the bottom of the image of it.

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The dimensions of the height, I'd say, were, I'd say by 10 feet.

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10 feet by 10 feet.

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Okay.

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Was this thing laying flat or was it to have the apex up?

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It had the apex.

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It always had the apex up, but it would slowly rotate in the apex.

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I think all the time it was there.

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It started from the apex being up to the apex, completely rotating around.

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I took about 15 minutes to do it.

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I see.

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It moved a little bit and stopped, moved a little bit and stopped, moved a little bit and stopped.

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It didn't look like that was necessary for flight.

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It looked like that.

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I think they just, I think it was just turning for, I don't know why, but it wasn't necessary for flight.

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You could tell that.

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And did it maintain the same position in relation to you while I was doing this?

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More or less, you know, I'd say.

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But it didn't stay close to me very long.

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It only stayed 50 feet for about a couple of minutes.

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It stayed just out of real good sight most of the time.

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It seemed, I might sound crazy, but they seemed to know what was good sight and what wasn't for me.

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I have perfect vision 2020.

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And I'm a captain in naval intelligence, but I've been working for the CIA for a lot of two years.

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Did you get any buffeting after this?

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No, no buffeting, no turbulence, nothing.

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How about instrument interference?

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No, perfect.

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Were you in contact with any ground stations for radar check?

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There's no radar in that area.

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I tried three times to see if I was in communications with somebody and asked if there was aircraft in my area that was, you know, maybe the loft course.

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And they said, no, close to the aircraft, it was 400 miles away, they said.

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And I said, you have to pause them.

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They said, yeah, and there was two radar ships, but they were both out of range.

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And oddly enough, he disappeared right when I, this guy said, oh, you're being ranged about three minutes and about a minute after that, this guy's pulled away.

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Okay, did you get the impression you were being observed?

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I think they're more interested in the airplane they were in me, but I did have that impression, you know.

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I also had the impression that they knew what was going on.

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I mean, I know it sounds muddy, but no one else seems to care about it, I've been flying on my life, I know what an airplane is and what it isn't.

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There's not that many airplanes that can go as fast as that at that altitude, first of all.

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You know, 2.2 is pretty fast.

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Did you have any unusual physical or mental sensations while all this was going on?

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No.

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Okay.

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The only thing that sort of bothers me is I haven't slept for about 30 hours, but that's not the big deal for me, I've done a lot before.

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I just was coming from two other missions and I just hadn't got a chance to sleep and I just wanted to get home.

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I've been flying a long time, but I can say I've done that a lot, so it's nothing.

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I mean, I've been able to do that before.

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Okay, and you would definitely say that the surface of that, the texture of the surface was pitted?

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Yeah, not big holes, but it was rough.

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Rough, okay.

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It wasn't metallic.

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What was your altitude?

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I was 5'0", 5'1", 0.

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I did climb a little bit to see what sort of, I was curious, I climbed over 60,000 feet almost instantly.

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Is that familiar with that plane of your pilot?

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Yes, sir.

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Well, that plane can climb very fast.

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It's one of the best planes we have.

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If I could actually talk, see it's classified.

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But, anyways, I gave it full power and put the nose up 60,000 feet and there's only maybe 8 or 10 other aircraft in the whole world that can keep up with that.

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And this thing kept up with no strain at all.

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No effort at all kept right next to me.

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And he started to move almost instantly when I did.

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Like, he knew I was going to do that.

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Moved right along?

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What's that?

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Moved right along, with you.

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Yeah, no problem at all.

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Now, when he left me, I went up to 60,000 feet and stayed there for a while and put it into a dive to see if I could outrun him.

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And from 60,000 feet to about 49, I got up to about 3 points, something mock, which is really moving.

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He stayed right up to me with no problem at all.

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And then the guy said, well, you'll be within radar range in about 3 or 4 minutes.

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And about a minute after that, he pulled away from me going forward at at least triple the speed with no effort at all.

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I mean, no acceleration.

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He just was there.

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Then he was a speck, and then he was gone.

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Okay.

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At the same altitude.

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You remember the time on that?

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Well, this is about, I'd say, 12 hours ago.

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No, about 10 hours ago.

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Okay.

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And how long did that whole event take place?

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I'd say all together about half an hour.

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20 minutes, half an hour.

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I did get the time, but the time was Korean time.

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I can't remember whether I had, it would be an hour off if I gave it a time like that.

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You just, I can't remember if it was 4 a.m. or 4 p.m.

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It was one together at Korean time.

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I can't remember if I reset the clock and I left Korea.

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Okay, is there any chance of getting your name?

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Yeah.

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No, no, no, no, no, no.

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Um...

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Anything in case we want to get back to you?

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I can get to my commanding officer and he can get to me, but I'm not really telling,

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I'm not even going to tell you that I was doing this.

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Uh-huh.

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But my commanding officer name is, and he's the Chief of Naval Intelligence, the Pentagon.

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You know, I'm always in contact with him.

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He's my career and...

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Okay.

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So, you just sent to the Navy Department?

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No, the Corps of Naval Intelligence, uh, Ed McCollum, uh, Pentagon, Washington, D.C.

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Okay.

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The main thing I want to tell you is he's distinctly had no...

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You know, like, you can sort of tell if an aircraft is really working to keep up with you speed-wise.

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I mean, it sort of has characteristics, but this had no effort at all to keep you in up with me

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and there's no lag.

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I mean, making an accelerator decelerate as fast as they want to,

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and open down as fast as they want to,

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was not a... it defied out a lot of aerodynamics.

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There's no reason for it to fly.

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Okay, when this thing pulled away from you, was it high speed?

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Yeah, it was next to me.

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Within 10 seconds, it was a speck.

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And a speck on the radar.

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The radar screen I had is about at a 150-mile range.

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I can tell you the speed exactly.

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It took it less than 10 seconds to get off the radar range.

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Less than 10 seconds to go 150 miles.

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And I saw it going across the radar range.

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And then I...

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Then we have a... on the radar, you can...

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There's three modes. There's 150 miles, there's 250 miles, and 500 miles.

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And so to see it on the 500-mile range, I...

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Up the range from 150 to 500.

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And the time it took me to flip the switch, which is another three seconds,

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it had already gone past the 500-mile range,

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because it wasn't on the radar anymore.

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Which means it had already gone through that other ring.

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You can imagine a circle, a 500-mile circle around you.

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It's like...

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And we have an intelligence radar, which is the best you can get.

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I mean, you can pick up a skydiver,

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400 miles away, and you know,

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free-falling skydiver will pick up on the radar.

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Did this thing leave any trail?

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Did it just take off?

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You know, we have a...

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Hocker heat-sensing missile.

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And the heat-sensing missile has a computer,

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which can track the exhaust of a jet.

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The exhaust of a jet stays in the sky the same way a weight in water stays in the water.

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You can track it the same way.

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Well, that computer was on two, and there was no thrust, no heat,

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no energy coming from this.

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Okay.

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But this thing sends heat up to 20 miles away at that altitude.

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And there was no heat coming out of this.

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And that's very sensitive also.

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And you can start up a gas-plane engine, you know, in a car,

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20 miles away from this thing,

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and turn on the missile and it will find the heat and blow it up.

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That's Hocker it is.

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Okay, did you get a good solid return on your radar?

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Perfect, yeah.

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Okay.

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What surprised me was that it was perfect.

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Okay, I can tell you that the...

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just from the research and...

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data bank information that we keep that the triangular-shaped object is becoming quite common.

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Someone else has seen it, you mean?

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Pardon?

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Someone else has seen it?

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The... the way it's a triangular-shaped object has been seen many times.

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Oh.

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I'm a little surprised that you didn't see some kind of colored light system on it because...

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No lights.

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No lights, okay.

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But they're getting to be quite a common object reported by witnesses.

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Do you have any idea where they come from?

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Oh, no.

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The... those associated in the field of ufology are kicking around all kinds of theories.

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Some think they're from outer space and some think they're some sort of a...

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time traveler, something coming from another dimension or a parallel universe.

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I'm not the only one that's seen these things.

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No.

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I mean, other people have seen these things.

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Well, that's good to know.

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Oh, yes.

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They've been seen at close range by ground witnesses.

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Yeah, well...

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Do you have a... a magazine or anything you print?

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We put out a publication periodically to keep people up on the latest events.

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Oh.

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Could... could I receive that?

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Oh, sure.

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Could you send it to my brother?

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Would that be okay?

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Sure.

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Um... okay, why don't you send it to, uh...

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Sure, we'll do.

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Yeah, I don't know if it helped you need to tell you this, but, uh...

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The people at approach control in the Navy didn't let anything to care.

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So...

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Was this in Honolulu?

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Well, Honolulu approach control in Honolulu... Honolulu...

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Honolulu... maybe they didn't seem to care.

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Uh-huh.

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And the same thing in San Francisco.

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Okay, did you get our numbers from the people in San Francisco?

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Uh-huh.

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Honolulu, okay.

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So, like...

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You know, I don't know, uh...

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Well, I think that, uh...

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The people that are associated with the flight controls, the FAA and so forth,

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they've been hung up, you know, given so much responsibility in this field,

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and that's given them such a headache over the years, they just...

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They're trying to get it off of their back.

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This seems like every time the FAA gets in the press associated with UFO sightings

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and these people at the various FAA facilities are...

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hounded by the public and answering...

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They're doing more time answering the phone, uh, in relation to UFOs,

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and they're doing... taking care of their job.

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Yeah.

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You know, I wanted to speed up and get around him to the other side of this thing, it looked like.

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But, uh, I couldn't outrun him.

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He could slow down and speed up as fast as I could.

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A Phantom can go from 2.2 mark to, uh, 50 miles an hour in about 10 seconds.

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I'm so fast, he can slow down if you wanted to.

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Uh-huh.

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And I tried that, and he slowed down just as fast.

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There's very few airplanes that can keep up with the Phantom.

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There's no rushing airplanes that can.

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So, I... it's either... it's one of ours, or it's somewhere else,

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but I can say there's no reason for it to fly.

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There's no energy coming out of it, no heat, no power source, nothing.

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Yeah, a lot of scientists that are working on this field,

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they seem to be associated with, uh, some kind of a technology

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which has a... the laws of physics completely different from our own.

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Hmm.

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Well, have any of you ever reported, you know, seeing one upload and touching it?

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Oh, yes.

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It's not a common thing.

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Uh, close approaches are common, but having the opportunity to touch one is not,

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but it has happened.

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And what does it feel like?

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Well, uh, all of those that we have on record, uh, claim that, uh,

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it appeared to them to be a very solid or metallic object of some kind.

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Hmm.

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Someday one of them has to land and talk to somebody, alright?

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Well, there's claims of that too,

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but unfortunately there's just no physical evidence to back it up.

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Hmm.

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And that's what, uh, the scientific community wants right now.

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There's a mountain of statistical evidence in relation to this subject,

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plus a lot of good photographs,

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and there's some really good films around,

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and, uh, and qualified witnesses,

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a testimony who, you know, have seen these at close range,

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but, uh, the scientists in the scientific community in general,

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they want physical evidence.

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Hmm.

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Which seems to be very hard to come by.

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Well, I'm probably not crazy, at least somebody else has seen what I have, so...

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Well, we sure appreciate the report.

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Well, Kettle, thanks very much.

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Okay.

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Good luck.

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Thank you.